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Tuesday, March 10, 2009
Early Church History
Lucian of Antioch (ca. 250-312 A.D.)
He condemned Gnosticism and Manicheanism (i.e. Paul of Samostoa). He was invovled in the translation of the NT and OT scriptures in Greek and he rejected the Apocrypha. He also held a high standard of scripture above tradition. His Syrian text influenced the Textus Receptus which our Authorized Version is translated from. He believed and followed all fundamental concepts of Biblical Christianity.
He supported the literal interpretation of the scriptures not allegorical. For centuries Lucian's theology involving Christianity has been defended by such great scholars as Caear Cardinal Beronius, George Bishop Bull, and Henry Melville Gwatkin. Lucian was obliged to take his stand against the error that was rising in his day. He was diametrically opposed to the school of theology at Alexandria, whose teachings exalted tradition. According to Dr. Wiliston Walken thus describes:
"With Antioch of this period is to be associated the foundation of a school of theology by Lucian, of whom little is known of biographical detail, save that he was a presbyter, held aloof from the party in Antioch which opposed and overcame Paul of Samosata, taught there from c. 275 to 303, and died a martyr's death in 312.... Like Origen, he busied himself with textual and exegetical labors on the Scriptures, but had little liking for the allegorizing methods of the great Alexandrian. A simpler, more grammatical and historical method of treatment both of text and doctrine characterized his teaching"
Lucian wanted to exhort people to follow God's commandments Worshipping God on Saturday or Sunday is no crime or sin.
Aeris of Pontus (300's A.D.)
He was once an asectic of Eustathius, but later left ascetic pratices to preach truthful doctrines. He became a bishop at 355 A.D. He believed that bishops are not distinguished from presbyters or elders by divine right because their office and authority according to the NT was the saem. He felt no needs to celebrate Easter (a pagan holiday) from the authority of God's word as a religious solemnity. He thought of it as a Jewish superstitution.
Fasts in his mind ought not to be prefixed to the annual return of days, as the time of Lent and the week preceding Easter. His purppose was to send Christianity to its primitive simplicity. He also felt that it was useless to pray for the dead and it was wrong to prescribe fasts or abstineces by law. He had many followers at Sebaste. he was presecuted by Papists and many of his followers had to live in caves.
Vigilantius (364-408 A.D.)
Vigilantius was born in South France near the Pyrenees Mts. He was converted by Christian travelers and associated with Sculpicius Severus, a writer who feed the hungry , clothe the poor, and visited the sick, while he engaged in many literary labors. He later met Martin, bishop of Tours where he began to be against Monasticism. Sculpicius reluctantly followed asceticism, a way of life that undermined the doctrine of Christ's one sacrifice, etc. He later became a messenger to Paulinus of Nola, Italy.
He witnessed paganism firsthand. Monasticism is from Buddhism and Egypt not Christianity popularized by heretic Anthony from Egypt. He later meet Jerome of Bethlehem and developed a good relationship in the beginning. He also visited Rufinus at Jerusalem then he broke his silence to publicly speak out against monasticism and asceticism to promote the gospel's simplicity.
At 404 A.D., Jerome began his propaganda campaign lies about Vigilantius. At the Cottian Alps, Vigilantius started to end pagan ceremonies. That region was against mandatory celibacy and vows of continence as well. The Apline Church of France and Italy welcomed Vigilantius with open arms and his preaching was powerful. According to Jerome's letter to Reparius, Vigilantius denounced:
-church celibacy -lighted tapers
- worhsip of relics -all-night vigils
-prayers to the dead
He just opposed false supperstitutions which is biblical. He also opposed relics on bones, institution of monks, etc. Unfortunately, none of his writings exist today. He wrote literature opposed to Arians not making him an Arian.
More in coming.
By TruthSeeker24
SOLA SCRIPTURA
SOLA FIDE
SOLA GLORIA DEO
SOLA CHRISTO
SOLA GRATIA
October 28, 2003
10:08 am. EST
___________
Helvidius (300's-420 A.D.)
He was a pupil of Auxentius, bishop of Milan. Auxentius was an Arian, but Helvidius wasn't one. he became a great scholar of northern Italy and accused Jerome when the Pope had empowered to form a Bible in Latin for Catholicism, with using false manuscripts. Jerome like he did with other dissenters of Catholic's false doctrines resorted to character assassination calling him having "a fetid mouth, fraught with a putrid stench, against the relics and of the martyrs."
In ca. 380 A.D., Helvidius in a work now lost refuted the prepetual virginity of Mary. In his work, he mentions Mary having other children besides Jesus so as to make her a model for mothers of larger families. At 383 A.D. Jerome wrote a tract in response against Helvidius in an "attempt" to support Mary being an "evervirgin" By jerome's writings, he was probably against relics as well. Helvidius was against the new supperstitutions developing in the chruch influencing the false apostate church. He died in 420 A.D. Helvidius probably had authentic Greek manuscripts to criticize Jerome.
Well I have info on Waldensians, Benegarius, St. Patrick, Jovinian, Henry of Laussane, etc. if you want it I will show it here.
By TruthSeeker.
He condemned Gnosticism and Manicheanism (i.e. Paul of Samostoa). He was invovled in the translation of the NT and OT scriptures in Greek and he rejected the Apocrypha. He also held a high standard of scripture above tradition. His Syrian text influenced the Textus Receptus which our Authorized Version is translated from. He believed and followed all fundamental concepts of Biblical Christianity.
He supported the literal interpretation of the scriptures not allegorical. For centuries Lucian's theology involving Christianity has been defended by such great scholars as Caear Cardinal Beronius, George Bishop Bull, and Henry Melville Gwatkin. Lucian was obliged to take his stand against the error that was rising in his day. He was diametrically opposed to the school of theology at Alexandria, whose teachings exalted tradition. According to Dr. Wiliston Walken thus describes:
"With Antioch of this period is to be associated the foundation of a school of theology by Lucian, of whom little is known of biographical detail, save that he was a presbyter, held aloof from the party in Antioch which opposed and overcame Paul of Samosata, taught there from c. 275 to 303, and died a martyr's death in 312.... Like Origen, he busied himself with textual and exegetical labors on the Scriptures, but had little liking for the allegorizing methods of the great Alexandrian. A simpler, more grammatical and historical method of treatment both of text and doctrine characterized his teaching"
Lucian wanted to exhort people to follow God's commandments Worshipping God on Saturday or Sunday is no crime or sin.
Aeris of Pontus (300's A.D.)
He was once an asectic of Eustathius, but later left ascetic pratices to preach truthful doctrines. He became a bishop at 355 A.D. He believed that bishops are not distinguished from presbyters or elders by divine right because their office and authority according to the NT was the saem. He felt no needs to celebrate Easter (a pagan holiday) from the authority of God's word as a religious solemnity. He thought of it as a Jewish superstitution.
Fasts in his mind ought not to be prefixed to the annual return of days, as the time of Lent and the week preceding Easter. His purppose was to send Christianity to its primitive simplicity. He also felt that it was useless to pray for the dead and it was wrong to prescribe fasts or abstineces by law. He had many followers at Sebaste. he was presecuted by Papists and many of his followers had to live in caves.
Vigilantius (364-408 A.D.)
Vigilantius was born in South France near the Pyrenees Mts. He was converted by Christian travelers and associated with Sculpicius Severus, a writer who feed the hungry , clothe the poor, and visited the sick, while he engaged in many literary labors. He later met Martin, bishop of Tours where he began to be against Monasticism. Sculpicius reluctantly followed asceticism, a way of life that undermined the doctrine of Christ's one sacrifice, etc. He later became a messenger to Paulinus of Nola, Italy.
He witnessed paganism firsthand. Monasticism is from Buddhism and Egypt not Christianity popularized by heretic Anthony from Egypt. He later meet Jerome of Bethlehem and developed a good relationship in the beginning. He also visited Rufinus at Jerusalem then he broke his silence to publicly speak out against monasticism and asceticism to promote the gospel's simplicity.
At 404 A.D., Jerome began his propaganda campaign lies about Vigilantius. At the Cottian Alps, Vigilantius started to end pagan ceremonies. That region was against mandatory celibacy and vows of continence as well. The Apline Church of France and Italy welcomed Vigilantius with open arms and his preaching was powerful. According to Jerome's letter to Reparius, Vigilantius denounced:
-church celibacy -lighted tapers
- worhsip of relics -all-night vigils
-prayers to the dead
He just opposed false supperstitutions which is biblical. He also opposed relics on bones, institution of monks, etc. Unfortunately, none of his writings exist today. He wrote literature opposed to Arians not making him an Arian.
More in coming.
By TruthSeeker24
SOLA SCRIPTURA
SOLA FIDE
SOLA GLORIA DEO
SOLA CHRISTO
SOLA GRATIA
October 28, 2003
10:08 am. EST
___________
Helvidius (300's-420 A.D.)
He was a pupil of Auxentius, bishop of Milan. Auxentius was an Arian, but Helvidius wasn't one. he became a great scholar of northern Italy and accused Jerome when the Pope had empowered to form a Bible in Latin for Catholicism, with using false manuscripts. Jerome like he did with other dissenters of Catholic's false doctrines resorted to character assassination calling him having "a fetid mouth, fraught with a putrid stench, against the relics and of the martyrs."
In ca. 380 A.D., Helvidius in a work now lost refuted the prepetual virginity of Mary. In his work, he mentions Mary having other children besides Jesus so as to make her a model for mothers of larger families. At 383 A.D. Jerome wrote a tract in response against Helvidius in an "attempt" to support Mary being an "evervirgin" By jerome's writings, he was probably against relics as well. Helvidius was against the new supperstitutions developing in the chruch influencing the false apostate church. He died in 420 A.D. Helvidius probably had authentic Greek manuscripts to criticize Jerome.
Well I have info on Waldensians, Benegarius, St. Patrick, Jovinian, Henry of Laussane, etc. if you want it I will show it here.
By TruthSeeker.
Friday, March 06, 2009
Cold War Freemasons
Dear Ezra,
Thank you for contacting me.
VAIII covers much of what you seek.
Know this:
Bible-believing Czar Alexander I expelled the Jesuits from all the Russias in 1820 for their political meddling. In 1822 he closed all the Masonic lodges. In 1825 he was given "the poison cup" as was given to Peter the Great who also expelled the Jesuits from all the Russias in 1723.
The Jesuits in seeking to conquer Moscow (the Third Rome) and thus overthrow the anti-Jesuit leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church, used Grand Orient Freemasons Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin via the Bolshevik Revolution. Remember that Antony Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution states that American cartel capitalists on Wall Street financed that revolution. Knight of Malta Joseph P. Grace, the son of Knight of Malta William R. Grace (the servant of James Cardinal Gibbons and master of Teddy Roosevelt and super banker J. P. Morgan) was one of them who set up the Grace Russian Trading Company which flourished after the revolution.
After the Order used its Masonic Jewish Labor Zionists backed by London's Fabian Socialists (Fabius being a Roman General, thus the FS were Jesuit controlled), all Jewish leaders were purged by Stalin during The Great Terror of the 30s. Every Jew was "purged" except Lazar Kaganovitch who lived into his 90s. According to Jim Shaw's The Deadly Deception, the big three at Yalta were all high Freemasons---Churchill, FDR and Stalin. That Stalin was a Grand Orient Freemason is confirmed by Walter Veith in one of his excellent documentaries. Thus, when we see "Dirty Harry" Truman and Stalin sitting together at Potsdam, they were both brothers in the Craft.
Now if Lenin and Stalin were both Grand Orient Freemasons, most assuredly Khrushchev was also a Freemason. His performance in the UN taking off his shoe and ranting that the USSR "will bury you," was all a Jesuit directed diatribe so as to further drive the typical American into right wing fascism---the true purpose of Communism in the first place. "Anti-communist" Georgetown Jesuit Edmund Walsh greatly benefitted from this tirade as did Walsh's student, Jesuit-trained Joseph McCarthy. For communism is nothing more than fascism in an atheist costume; all the rest is identical; indeed, "extremes meet."
According to Leo Zagami Putin is a Freemason and is under the charge of the Russian Branch of the Knights of Malta headquartered in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
I trust this is helpful.
Sincerely in faith,
Brother Eric
Thank you for contacting me.
VAIII covers much of what you seek.
Know this:
Bible-believing Czar Alexander I expelled the Jesuits from all the Russias in 1820 for their political meddling. In 1822 he closed all the Masonic lodges. In 1825 he was given "the poison cup" as was given to Peter the Great who also expelled the Jesuits from all the Russias in 1723.
The Jesuits in seeking to conquer Moscow (the Third Rome) and thus overthrow the anti-Jesuit leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church, used Grand Orient Freemasons Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin via the Bolshevik Revolution. Remember that Antony Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution states that American cartel capitalists on Wall Street financed that revolution. Knight of Malta Joseph P. Grace, the son of Knight of Malta William R. Grace (the servant of James Cardinal Gibbons and master of Teddy Roosevelt and super banker J. P. Morgan) was one of them who set up the Grace Russian Trading Company which flourished after the revolution.
After the Order used its Masonic Jewish Labor Zionists backed by London's Fabian Socialists (Fabius being a Roman General, thus the FS were Jesuit controlled), all Jewish leaders were purged by Stalin during The Great Terror of the 30s. Every Jew was "purged" except Lazar Kaganovitch who lived into his 90s. According to Jim Shaw's The Deadly Deception, the big three at Yalta were all high Freemasons---Churchill, FDR and Stalin. That Stalin was a Grand Orient Freemason is confirmed by Walter Veith in one of his excellent documentaries. Thus, when we see "Dirty Harry" Truman and Stalin sitting together at Potsdam, they were both brothers in the Craft.
Now if Lenin and Stalin were both Grand Orient Freemasons, most assuredly Khrushchev was also a Freemason. His performance in the UN taking off his shoe and ranting that the USSR "will bury you," was all a Jesuit directed diatribe so as to further drive the typical American into right wing fascism---the true purpose of Communism in the first place. "Anti-communist" Georgetown Jesuit Edmund Walsh greatly benefitted from this tirade as did Walsh's student, Jesuit-trained Joseph McCarthy. For communism is nothing more than fascism in an atheist costume; all the rest is identical; indeed, "extremes meet."
According to Leo Zagami Putin is a Freemason and is under the charge of the Russian Branch of the Knights of Malta headquartered in St. Petersburg and Moscow.
I trust this is helpful.
Sincerely in faith,
Brother Eric
The Vatican Agenda
From http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:http://www.joelbainerman.com/articles/vatican.asp
The Vatican Agenda
By: Joel Bainerman
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Israelis have probably never thought very much about what the Roman Catholic Church/The Vatican thinks about "end of days" theology. Jews themselves don't give much thought to what will happen when "Gog and Magog" takes place. Jews don't go in for anything the least bit "next world" but instead are firmly planted in the here and know. That's good.
However it doesn't matter what Jews think, what matters is what The Vatican believes, and why it believes this. Judaism, and modern Jewish thought pretty much just dismisses the basic tenets of Catholicism outright and doesn't even bother addressing the core questions of what is behind "Catholic theological claims."
Instead of taking what they believe seriously, we tend to snicker amongst ourselves when we see those pictures of obscure rituals and ceremonies, and think the whole religion is near pagan-like with the "eating of Holy Wafers" and "sprinkling of Baptism water" on people's heads. That may be true, but that doesn't matter. What matters is what they believe and what they plan to do about making their beliefs become a reality.
The institution of "The Vatican" is not understood by Israelis and Jews. The conventional wisdom you get from the spokespersons in Israeli government ministries and the conventional Israeli media is "both sides have great intentions to do good" and that's about it. When it comes to Israel's bi-lateral affairs, nothing much gets investigated by the Israeli media. Thus a secret deal could be done between the Vatican and the State of Israel and nobody in Israel would ever find out about it.
In fact, that is exactly what happened.
This essay will provide the background to that deal, as well as what the Vatican's intentions are regarding Israel and The Old City Of Jerusalem. It will reveal which Israeli politicians made certain commitments to The Vatican regarding the issue of sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem. These negotiations and meetings were all carried out in secret. During this time period, 1992-l995, the Oslo Accords was what got all the public's attention. Oslo was like "throwing sand in the eyes" of the public. The Vatican is where the real action was happening. Oslo seemed to be just the cover story. A "red herring", if you will.
What Does The Vatican Want?
It can't be that the Vatican is only interested in "access to their Holy Sites" in Jerusalem. They already have that as well as legal jurisdiction under Israeli law for their institutions and assets in Jerusalem. Also, when these "Holy Sites" were under the jurisdiction of the Jordanians from l948-l967, no Pope demanded the "internationalization of Jerusalem".
It is something else, which the Vatican wants. The Roman Catholic Church, need to have certain versions of events be played out for them to stand in front of mankind and proclaim: our Messiah has returned." Of course, to the Jews, this Messiah will be as false as the first one was supposed to be. Don't matter. This is the goal of the Vatican and this is what all Israelis need to worry about.
The Vatican/Roman Catholic's version of events is this:
They know this isn't the end of the story that the Jewish G-d had in mind, but that doesn't mean they won't try and engineer their own ending to the story. So what if it is fraudulent. Doesn't matter, that is their game plan and that is what matters and that is what Israeli Jews need to be better informed about. It is important for everyone to know what The Vatican have up its sleeve because it directly relates to our existence and our future destiny as an independent nation. This a very powerful force this is scheming to get control of the Old City of Jerusalem so you better know why and how the Vatican intends to do this. Once you have all the facts and the chronological record you will be better informed deal with this issue and of foreign control over Israel's political existence and destiny.
First, you have to realize that for centuries The Vatican has attempted to obtain control of Jerusalem, which started with the Crusades. For them to convince the world that the Messiah they put on the world's stage is going to be accepted as genuine, they need to perform this play in the Old City. The story of this production is that this "Messiah" will merge the three monotheistic religions, usher in peace and harmony in the world, and solve the Middle East conflict. The location for this "production" will be in none other than the Old City of Jerusalem.
This so-called "Messiah" that will be proclaimed, will be a false one and it will insist that by having a "world government" (i.e., the United Nations) the world peace and harmony will be ushered in. This will be a lie, and a fraud, but never mind. In our world, reality isn't important. Public perceptions are. The end result is the stripping of Israel's sovereignty as an independent nation giving way to a "regional bloc of nations" in the Middle East. Israel will be pressured to accede to these demands by all world bodies and the superpowers on the claim that "this is the only way to solve the Middle East conflict). In order to the Jews to go along they will convince them that with the "Messiah" having appeared for the Jews, it is time to start rebuilding the Third Temple- what they call "Solomon's Temple". This version of events is widely available through a simple search on the Internet as there are many Christian groups and organizations (the majority of which who are very pro-Israel) who don't buy into these beliefs and thus are against them. I didn't come up with the theory- I am just brining it to the attention of the Israeli public.
Make no mistake about it. The Old City of Jerusalem, as well as most of the eastern half of the city, is what The Vatican is after.
Why?
Because controlling the entire Old City of Jerusalem (and not just Church properties) and being able to build whatever they want on Mount Zion is critical for the program they have planned to put into play in our capital city. The deal that it has signed with Israel via Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres (in secret and without the approval of the Knesset) gives The Church not only extraterritorial status to their properties (which is what the bi-lateral agreement the Israeli government signed with the Vatican on December 30th, 1993, put in law) but of control over the entire city as "custodians" under UN presence. In this way the Jews will give up control over the Old City. To the Vatican the Israeli people would have a problem with. To the UN, they would say, "we had no choice".
A Chronology Of The Attempt By The Vatican To Displace Israel From The Old City Of Jerusalem
The "Chronology of Events" for the Vatican's conquest of the Old City of Jerusalem is as follows- all of which can be verified via the sources of the information:
October 1991
On October 12th, the head of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfman, is appointed head of the International Jewish Committee of Inter-religious Consultation to conduct officials contacts with The Vatican and the State of Israel.
March 1992
On March 17th, Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek says: "The Israeli government should meet the Vatican's demand to apply special status for Jerusalem."
April 1992
On April 1st, The Vatican announced that it "favors a Labor victory" in the June 1992 general elections in Israel.
On April 15th, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, one of the highest ranking diplomats at The Vatican, visits Israel for the first time but only meets with Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek.
June 1992
The story of The Catholic Church's attempt to abscond with the Old City of Jerusalem from the Jews begins in July 1992. According to the information on the Foreign Ministry website, literally from the moment the new Rabin-led Labor government took over from Yitzhak Shamir's defeated Likud party, secret talks with the Vatican and the State of Israel began. What precipitated these secret talks? Who arranged these talks, and why? Why were they kept secret from the Israeli public? What was the end result of these agreements? Where do they stand today? The entire subject of Israel's bi-lateral relations with the Vatican is intentionally kept locked away in secrecy. It is no wonder that nobody in Israel knows much about "Israel-Vatican relations" as it is never, ever reported on in the Israeli press.
The official story of the origins of Israel's "secret channel contacts" between Beilin's negotiating team and the Vatican comes about as a result of Shlomo Gur, a personal aide to Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin, who knew someone who put him in touch with Father David Jaeger. Father David Jaeger was president of the Catholic Court in Austin, Texas, and was brought up as an Israeli orthodox Jew who then converted to Catholicism and became a Father (not something that has happened to many Israelis who grew up Orthodox). From there, which according to the information on the Israel Foreign Ministry website was in July 1992 right after the new Rabin government took over power, nothing is known about the discussions until the agreement is signed on Dec. 30th, 1993. Nothing in the Israeli press. The info given on the actual agreement signed was very minimal and general in tone. This is probably one of the most important political contacts Israel has in the world's "power structure" yet it isn't reported on in the press. Thus no Israelis know about it. That is how it remains hidden.
November, l992
The document which was used as the underlying ideological basis for the Vatican's secret deal with Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres was personally authored by Beilin. "The Illegitimacy of Israeli Sovereignty Over Jerusalem" outlines the Israeli government's program for the future of Jerusalem and calls for the division of the Old City into cantons whose border posts will be under UN control.
The plan which led to the December, 1993 agreement between The Vatican and the State of Israel was originally discussed in November 1992 at the exact same time the first meetings in London took place to discuss an agreement between Israel and the PLO which led to the Oslo Agreements. The real goal was the Vatican attempt to take over the Old City of Jerusalem. Oslo, or, "peace between Israel and the Palestinians" was just a good cover story to hide what was really going on in another sphere of Israel's foreign affairs.
September, 1993
On the 10th of September, just three days before the signing of the Oslo Accords Washington, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres concluded a secret deal with the Vatican to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican. the agreement and it was included in the secret clauses of the Declaration Of Principles signed on September 13th, 1993 in Washington, DC.
In the same week that Israeli Foreign Minister and chief Oslo architect Shimon Peres signed the Declaration of Principles with Yasser Arafat in Washington, the Israel-Vatican commission held a special meeting in Israel. Under the Vatican agreement the Israelis would give over control the Old City to the Vatican before the year 2000. The plan also calls for Jerusalem to become the second Vatican of the world with all three major religions represented but under the authority of the Vatican. Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel but the Old City will be administered by the Vatican.
Arafat agreed to the plan just before the famous "handshake" in 1993, but when he realized that the Vatican was also going to let Israel share in the temple mount, he rejected it. (To get Arafat and the Palestinians "on board", on February 14th, 2000, the PA did sign an agreement with the Vatican which recognized the Palestinians' claims to East Jerusalem. The outbreak of the "Al Asqa Intifada" seven months after this agreement was signed may have been part of the commitment Arafat gave the Vatican as to what he would do for him in return for the Vatican acknowledging Palestinians claims to East Jerusalem and the right to statehood. The violence in the Middle East serves the Catholic Church's interest especially if Jerusalem is the subject to discuss. By Arafat getting guarantees from the Vatican that no matter what he does the Europeans will not abandon him, then it makes sense for him to declare war on Israel in Sept 2000. The "Barak gave him everything at Camp David" is propaganda. Nothing was offered that the Knesset would have approved. The intifada could only have happened if Arafat had gotten assurances from major European powers that he would survive. The agreement on Feb 2000 would have made more sense if it had occurred three or four years previous. However its timing when it was makes the Sept 2000 intifada seem logical from Arafat's perspective.
November 1993
In a report in the Jerusalem weekly newspaper Kol Ha'ir, it was revealed that: "for the past six months, The Israeli government has been taking advice on the future of Jerusalem from a planning commission headed by a close aide of Teddy Kollek, Raanan Weitz, formerly the settlement director of the Jewish Agency. At a secret meeting on September 9, 1993, one day before Prime Minister Rabin signed the recognition agreement with the PLO in Israel, the forum met secretly and approved in principle a plan for Jerusalem concocted by Weitz, which he calls, "Metropolitan Jerusalem."
December, 1993
With absolutely no media coverage in Israel, on December 30th an "historic agreement with the Vatican" is publicly acknowledged. Called: "The Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel", it declares:
"Mindful of the singular character and universal significance of the Holy Land. Aware of the unique nature of the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people, and of the historic process of reconciliation and growth in mutual understanding and friendship between Catholics and Jews;
"Having decided on 29 July 1992 to establish a 'Bilateral Permanent Working Commission', in order to study and define together issues of common interest, and in view of normalizing their relations."
Already within one month of taking power there was a special committee to further "Israeli-Vatican Relations". From where did this initiative come so soon as the new government took office?
April 1994
Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem Shmuel Meir announces at a Jerusalem press conference that he had received information that properties promised to the Vatican in Jerusalem would be granted extraterritorial status. (In early 1996 Meir was killed in a very suspicious car crash whereby the driver who drove a UN truck into Meir's car was not even charged.)
May 1994
Marek Halter, a French intellectual/philosopher and a close friend of Peres, tells the Israeli weekly magazine HaShishi that he personally delivered a letter from Peres to the Pope in Sept, 1993 in which Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City of Jerusalem, and the Vatican hegemony of the holy sites within. The UN would give the PLO a capital within its new territory and East Jerusalem would become a kind of free trade zone of world diplomacy.
June 1994
On June 15th, the Israeli government signs an agreement with The Vatican allowing the Catholic Church to participate in negotiations to determine the future of Jerusalem.
July, 1994
On July 9th, 1994, the Vatican's Foreign Minister, Jean-Louis Tauran, announces in Amman, Jordan: "Before territorial problems are resolved, we have to find international guarantees to safeguard the uniqueness of the city and assurances that never again one party should claim Jerusalem as its possession."
November l994
Israel signs a peace treaty with Jordan which, according to reports in Haaretz, Maariv, and Yediot Achronot, included secret clauses concerning water and Jerusalem. The agreement had been negotiated in London eight months before between Rabin, King Hussein, and Lord Victor Mishcon. As part of the agreement, Jordan would receive control over the Islamic Holy sites within a Vatican-controlled Old City of Jerusalem.
March 1995
A cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome to The Foreign Ministry was in Jerusalem is leaked to radio station Arutz Sheva, confirming the handover of Jerusalem to the Vatican. Two days later the cable made front page of Haaretz. In the widely distributed minutes of a meeting with President Clinton in 1997, Peres ended the cable with the words, "as I had previously promised the Holy See."
April 1995
Member of Knesset Avraham Shapira announced in the Knesset that he had information that all Vatican property in Jerusalem was to become tax exempt and that large tracts of real estate on Mount Zion were given to the Pope in perpetuity.
February l996
A delegation from the Vatican met in Jerusalem with Palestinian Authority Religious Affairs Minister, Hassan Tahbob. Father Serge Sebastian, Secretary General of the Vatican, announced that the Holy See recognizes Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem. After Shimon Peres had replaced Yitzhak Rabin as Israel's prime minister, Internal Security Minister Moshe Shachal refused to allow a Palestinian Authority meeting at the Vatican's Notre Dame Hospice in Jerusalem. According to Shachal, the Palestinians were planning to "use the Vatican to circumvent the Oslo Accords."
November, 1997
On November 10th, the State of Israel and the Vatican sign the "Legal Personality Agreement" whereby the State of Israel agrees to "assure full effect law to the legal personality of the Catholic Church itself." (What that means in plain english is anyone's guess.)
February 2000
Hedging its bets by having bi-lateral agreements with both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict, on February 14th, Pope John Paul 11 meets Arafat in Rome to sign an accord to normalize relations between Roman Catholic churches in Jerusalem and PA. Palestinian Legislative Council Speaker Ahmed Qurei told The Jerusalem Post that the agreement is "recognition by the Catholic Church of the Palestinian claims to the eastern half of Jerusalem." According to Arafat's spokesperson, Nabil Abu Rudaineh, "Arafat had been lobbying for the idea of sharing undivided Jerusalem, and for creating a Vatican-style sovereignty in the Old City." (Somehow we are supposed to believe that Arafat initiated this, and not the Vatican). The agreement calls for Jerusalem to be "an international city based on international resolutions and an international guarantee." The pack was signed despite the Vatican having signed an agreement with Israel six years earlier on December 30th, 1993 which gave legal jurisdiction under Israeli law over the Church's own institutions and assets in the Holy Land.
March 2000
The Pope visits the Holy Land and repeats the Holy See's insistence that" international oversight- 'a special statute, internationally guaranteed'- would best safeguard the city's holy sites and all its religions. The city of Jerusalem is the main obstacle to peace in the region."
On March 27th, the Palestinian Authority says that The Vatican no longer insists on international status for the Old City of Jerusalem, and that The Vatican accepts the political division of the Old City between Israel and the Palestinians. (One has to wonder if this agreement had anything to do with Arafat's decision to wage war on Israel six months later?)
October 2000
In a speech to the United Nations on October 30th, Archbishop Renato Martino declared: "The "unique character" of Jerusalem as a city sacred to three great religions makes it essential that religious leaders, not politicians, control the holy sites." In his meeting on October 26th with Lebanese Ambassador to the Vatican, Fouad Aoun, Pope John Paul 11 said that the city of Jerusalem should be given "specially guaranteed international status."
January 2001
Israel TV journalists secretly film under the Shrine Of Omar, the 7th century Islamic building which may have been deliberately constructed over the Holy of Holies, them most sacred prayer room of the ancient Jewish Temple. The video revealed a new and massive tunnel aimed directly at the most sacred core of Solomon's and later, Herod's Temples. During the Crusades the early 12th century chivalric order, The Knights Templer, dug under the ruins for nine years and found a network of tunnels where the Jewish priests hid their treasures form the marauding Romans in 70 CE. It was also assumed that the original records of the Jerusalem Church which prove that the Vatican was not practicing Christianity as its founders had intended, was buried in this spot. A pope with exclusive rights of divine interpretation was not part of G-d's plan. If these scrolls were made public they would jeopardize Rome's legitimacy. Thus it is imperative to The Vatican that the Jews be removed from the Temple Mount so that they don't find these important scrolls. The PA is serving as the Vatican's "building contractors" in this arrangement in the hope that the Vatican will side with the Palestinians in the conflict with Israel.
July 2002
Israeli, US and German delegations at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in Berlin have to fight a surprise proposal to internationalize Jerusalem's Old City by the Italian delegation to the meeting. The head of the Italian delegation told Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the US-based Simon Weisenthal Center, that the main concern of the Italian government was that "in the future when there are peace discussions, the Palestinian entity will be given control of the Christian Holy sites."
Why the secular government of Italy should be worried about this was not explained in the new item. (The Jerusalem Post, July 8th, 2002)
So What Is The Vatican Planning And What Can Israeli Jews Do About It?
For centuries the Vatican has been pushing its "replacement" doctrine which states that the Catholic has replaced Israel as "the New Israel".
The Roman Catholic Church wants Israel to lose sovereign control over the Old City of Jerusalem so that "the promises to the literal descendents of Abraham will be applied to the 'New Jerusalem.'" If Israel controls Jerusalem it is evidence that Rome's claims are not legitimate and that the literal interpretation of Scriptures is correct. There is no place for the restoration of the nation of Israel in its theology. How can the Vatican claim to be "the New Jerusalem" and "rightful heir to the Kingdom of God" if the Jews control Jerusalem? How is the Catholic Church going to convince the world that their version of theology is correct?
The Vatican is going to have everyone believe this "mysterious individual who will "unite the faiths" and appear in Jerusalem which will be under the control of an authority headed by The Vatican. " That deal to have the Vatican come into Israel and take over these properties and to "control and dominate the Old City of Jerusalem" already exists and has been fully documented and reported in the world's media.
The end goal of The Vatican is to seize control of the Old City of Jerusalem out of the clutches of the state of Israel. To that end they have a secret agreement with Israel which obliges Israel to respect the "extraterritorial" claim to their physical presence in the city. In short, "we have accepted the Vatican's rights to have little Vatican sovereign embassies throughout our eternal capital of Jerusalem. That same Vatican has committed itself, in public and in a written agreement, to ensure that the Palestinians have sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem.
The public record shows a secret deal has already been conducted behind the backs of the Israeli public whereby the Vatican was promised to take over the Old City. There is ample proof in the public record to prove that a secret deal was done with the Vatican by two Israeli government representatives, Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres. As it was concocted covertly it can't serve the Israeli public- but someone else. Thus these agreements need to be made void and nullified.
It doesn't matter if religious Jews or Israelis think that "Catholic theology" is "strange looking" or extremely "ritualistic." What matters is that all Israelis understand that The Vatican has a secret agenda and it includes stealing the Old City of Jerusalem away from the Jews. That is what you need to know and understand. Unfortunately, this agenda is being carried out in secret and behind your back and that is why you are ignorant of its true aims. The purpose of this essay is to warn you of these exact intentions of The Vatican so that you will be an "informed consumer" when it comes to Israel's relations with the Roman Catholic Church. Even the overt clauses of the Vatican agreement, the exchange of ambassadors and the opening of the Vatican archives to Israeli researchers, have not been fulfilled by The Vatican. From an Israeli perspective, the "Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel" has been a complete failure and should be immediately rescinded.
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The Vatican Agenda
By: Joel Bainerman
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Israelis have probably never thought very much about what the Roman Catholic Church/The Vatican thinks about "end of days" theology. Jews themselves don't give much thought to what will happen when "Gog and Magog" takes place. Jews don't go in for anything the least bit "next world" but instead are firmly planted in the here and know. That's good.
However it doesn't matter what Jews think, what matters is what The Vatican believes, and why it believes this. Judaism, and modern Jewish thought pretty much just dismisses the basic tenets of Catholicism outright and doesn't even bother addressing the core questions of what is behind "Catholic theological claims."
Instead of taking what they believe seriously, we tend to snicker amongst ourselves when we see those pictures of obscure rituals and ceremonies, and think the whole religion is near pagan-like with the "eating of Holy Wafers" and "sprinkling of Baptism water" on people's heads. That may be true, but that doesn't matter. What matters is what they believe and what they plan to do about making their beliefs become a reality.
The institution of "The Vatican" is not understood by Israelis and Jews. The conventional wisdom you get from the spokespersons in Israeli government ministries and the conventional Israeli media is "both sides have great intentions to do good" and that's about it. When it comes to Israel's bi-lateral affairs, nothing much gets investigated by the Israeli media. Thus a secret deal could be done between the Vatican and the State of Israel and nobody in Israel would ever find out about it.
In fact, that is exactly what happened.
This essay will provide the background to that deal, as well as what the Vatican's intentions are regarding Israel and The Old City Of Jerusalem. It will reveal which Israeli politicians made certain commitments to The Vatican regarding the issue of sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem. These negotiations and meetings were all carried out in secret. During this time period, 1992-l995, the Oslo Accords was what got all the public's attention. Oslo was like "throwing sand in the eyes" of the public. The Vatican is where the real action was happening. Oslo seemed to be just the cover story. A "red herring", if you will.
What Does The Vatican Want?
It can't be that the Vatican is only interested in "access to their Holy Sites" in Jerusalem. They already have that as well as legal jurisdiction under Israeli law for their institutions and assets in Jerusalem. Also, when these "Holy Sites" were under the jurisdiction of the Jordanians from l948-l967, no Pope demanded the "internationalization of Jerusalem".
It is something else, which the Vatican wants. The Roman Catholic Church, need to have certain versions of events be played out for them to stand in front of mankind and proclaim: our Messiah has returned." Of course, to the Jews, this Messiah will be as false as the first one was supposed to be. Don't matter. This is the goal of the Vatican and this is what all Israelis need to worry about.
The Vatican/Roman Catholic's version of events is this:
They know this isn't the end of the story that the Jewish G-d had in mind, but that doesn't mean they won't try and engineer their own ending to the story. So what if it is fraudulent. Doesn't matter, that is their game plan and that is what matters and that is what Israeli Jews need to be better informed about. It is important for everyone to know what The Vatican have up its sleeve because it directly relates to our existence and our future destiny as an independent nation. This a very powerful force this is scheming to get control of the Old City of Jerusalem so you better know why and how the Vatican intends to do this. Once you have all the facts and the chronological record you will be better informed deal with this issue and of foreign control over Israel's political existence and destiny.
First, you have to realize that for centuries The Vatican has attempted to obtain control of Jerusalem, which started with the Crusades. For them to convince the world that the Messiah they put on the world's stage is going to be accepted as genuine, they need to perform this play in the Old City. The story of this production is that this "Messiah" will merge the three monotheistic religions, usher in peace and harmony in the world, and solve the Middle East conflict. The location for this "production" will be in none other than the Old City of Jerusalem.
This so-called "Messiah" that will be proclaimed, will be a false one and it will insist that by having a "world government" (i.e., the United Nations) the world peace and harmony will be ushered in. This will be a lie, and a fraud, but never mind. In our world, reality isn't important. Public perceptions are. The end result is the stripping of Israel's sovereignty as an independent nation giving way to a "regional bloc of nations" in the Middle East. Israel will be pressured to accede to these demands by all world bodies and the superpowers on the claim that "this is the only way to solve the Middle East conflict). In order to the Jews to go along they will convince them that with the "Messiah" having appeared for the Jews, it is time to start rebuilding the Third Temple- what they call "Solomon's Temple". This version of events is widely available through a simple search on the Internet as there are many Christian groups and organizations (the majority of which who are very pro-Israel) who don't buy into these beliefs and thus are against them. I didn't come up with the theory- I am just brining it to the attention of the Israeli public.
Make no mistake about it. The Old City of Jerusalem, as well as most of the eastern half of the city, is what The Vatican is after.
Why?
Because controlling the entire Old City of Jerusalem (and not just Church properties) and being able to build whatever they want on Mount Zion is critical for the program they have planned to put into play in our capital city. The deal that it has signed with Israel via Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres (in secret and without the approval of the Knesset) gives The Church not only extraterritorial status to their properties (which is what the bi-lateral agreement the Israeli government signed with the Vatican on December 30th, 1993, put in law) but of control over the entire city as "custodians" under UN presence. In this way the Jews will give up control over the Old City. To the Vatican the Israeli people would have a problem with. To the UN, they would say, "we had no choice".
A Chronology Of The Attempt By The Vatican To Displace Israel From The Old City Of Jerusalem
The "Chronology of Events" for the Vatican's conquest of the Old City of Jerusalem is as follows- all of which can be verified via the sources of the information:
October 1991
On October 12th, the head of the World Jewish Congress, Edgar Bronfman, is appointed head of the International Jewish Committee of Inter-religious Consultation to conduct officials contacts with The Vatican and the State of Israel.
March 1992
On March 17th, Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek says: "The Israeli government should meet the Vatican's demand to apply special status for Jerusalem."
April 1992
On April 1st, The Vatican announced that it "favors a Labor victory" in the June 1992 general elections in Israel.
On April 15th, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, one of the highest ranking diplomats at The Vatican, visits Israel for the first time but only meets with Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek.
June 1992
The story of The Catholic Church's attempt to abscond with the Old City of Jerusalem from the Jews begins in July 1992. According to the information on the Foreign Ministry website, literally from the moment the new Rabin-led Labor government took over from Yitzhak Shamir's defeated Likud party, secret talks with the Vatican and the State of Israel began. What precipitated these secret talks? Who arranged these talks, and why? Why were they kept secret from the Israeli public? What was the end result of these agreements? Where do they stand today? The entire subject of Israel's bi-lateral relations with the Vatican is intentionally kept locked away in secrecy. It is no wonder that nobody in Israel knows much about "Israel-Vatican relations" as it is never, ever reported on in the Israeli press.
The official story of the origins of Israel's "secret channel contacts" between Beilin's negotiating team and the Vatican comes about as a result of Shlomo Gur, a personal aide to Deputy Foreign Minister Yossi Beilin, who knew someone who put him in touch with Father David Jaeger. Father David Jaeger was president of the Catholic Court in Austin, Texas, and was brought up as an Israeli orthodox Jew who then converted to Catholicism and became a Father (not something that has happened to many Israelis who grew up Orthodox). From there, which according to the information on the Israel Foreign Ministry website was in July 1992 right after the new Rabin government took over power, nothing is known about the discussions until the agreement is signed on Dec. 30th, 1993. Nothing in the Israeli press. The info given on the actual agreement signed was very minimal and general in tone. This is probably one of the most important political contacts Israel has in the world's "power structure" yet it isn't reported on in the press. Thus no Israelis know about it. That is how it remains hidden.
November, l992
The document which was used as the underlying ideological basis for the Vatican's secret deal with Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres was personally authored by Beilin. "The Illegitimacy of Israeli Sovereignty Over Jerusalem" outlines the Israeli government's program for the future of Jerusalem and calls for the division of the Old City into cantons whose border posts will be under UN control.
The plan which led to the December, 1993 agreement between The Vatican and the State of Israel was originally discussed in November 1992 at the exact same time the first meetings in London took place to discuss an agreement between Israel and the PLO which led to the Oslo Agreements. The real goal was the Vatican attempt to take over the Old City of Jerusalem. Oslo, or, "peace between Israel and the Palestinians" was just a good cover story to hide what was really going on in another sphere of Israel's foreign affairs.
September, 1993
On the 10th of September, just three days before the signing of the Oslo Accords Washington, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres concluded a secret deal with the Vatican to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican. the agreement and it was included in the secret clauses of the Declaration Of Principles signed on September 13th, 1993 in Washington, DC.
In the same week that Israeli Foreign Minister and chief Oslo architect Shimon Peres signed the Declaration of Principles with Yasser Arafat in Washington, the Israel-Vatican commission held a special meeting in Israel. Under the Vatican agreement the Israelis would give over control the Old City to the Vatican before the year 2000. The plan also calls for Jerusalem to become the second Vatican of the world with all three major religions represented but under the authority of the Vatican. Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel but the Old City will be administered by the Vatican.
Arafat agreed to the plan just before the famous "handshake" in 1993, but when he realized that the Vatican was also going to let Israel share in the temple mount, he rejected it. (To get Arafat and the Palestinians "on board", on February 14th, 2000, the PA did sign an agreement with the Vatican which recognized the Palestinians' claims to East Jerusalem. The outbreak of the "Al Asqa Intifada" seven months after this agreement was signed may have been part of the commitment Arafat gave the Vatican as to what he would do for him in return for the Vatican acknowledging Palestinians claims to East Jerusalem and the right to statehood. The violence in the Middle East serves the Catholic Church's interest especially if Jerusalem is the subject to discuss. By Arafat getting guarantees from the Vatican that no matter what he does the Europeans will not abandon him, then it makes sense for him to declare war on Israel in Sept 2000. The "Barak gave him everything at Camp David" is propaganda. Nothing was offered that the Knesset would have approved. The intifada could only have happened if Arafat had gotten assurances from major European powers that he would survive. The agreement on Feb 2000 would have made more sense if it had occurred three or four years previous. However its timing when it was makes the Sept 2000 intifada seem logical from Arafat's perspective.
November 1993
In a report in the Jerusalem weekly newspaper Kol Ha'ir, it was revealed that: "for the past six months, The Israeli government has been taking advice on the future of Jerusalem from a planning commission headed by a close aide of Teddy Kollek, Raanan Weitz, formerly the settlement director of the Jewish Agency. At a secret meeting on September 9, 1993, one day before Prime Minister Rabin signed the recognition agreement with the PLO in Israel, the forum met secretly and approved in principle a plan for Jerusalem concocted by Weitz, which he calls, "Metropolitan Jerusalem."
December, 1993
With absolutely no media coverage in Israel, on December 30th an "historic agreement with the Vatican" is publicly acknowledged. Called: "The Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel", it declares:
"Mindful of the singular character and universal significance of the Holy Land. Aware of the unique nature of the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Jewish people, and of the historic process of reconciliation and growth in mutual understanding and friendship between Catholics and Jews;
"Having decided on 29 July 1992 to establish a 'Bilateral Permanent Working Commission', in order to study and define together issues of common interest, and in view of normalizing their relations."
Already within one month of taking power there was a special committee to further "Israeli-Vatican Relations". From where did this initiative come so soon as the new government took office?
April 1994
Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem Shmuel Meir announces at a Jerusalem press conference that he had received information that properties promised to the Vatican in Jerusalem would be granted extraterritorial status. (In early 1996 Meir was killed in a very suspicious car crash whereby the driver who drove a UN truck into Meir's car was not even charged.)
May 1994
Marek Halter, a French intellectual/philosopher and a close friend of Peres, tells the Israeli weekly magazine HaShishi that he personally delivered a letter from Peres to the Pope in Sept, 1993 in which Peres promised to internationalize Jerusalem, granting the UN political control of the Old City of Jerusalem, and the Vatican hegemony of the holy sites within. The UN would give the PLO a capital within its new territory and East Jerusalem would become a kind of free trade zone of world diplomacy.
June 1994
On June 15th, the Israeli government signs an agreement with The Vatican allowing the Catholic Church to participate in negotiations to determine the future of Jerusalem.
July, 1994
On July 9th, 1994, the Vatican's Foreign Minister, Jean-Louis Tauran, announces in Amman, Jordan: "Before territorial problems are resolved, we have to find international guarantees to safeguard the uniqueness of the city and assurances that never again one party should claim Jerusalem as its possession."
November l994
Israel signs a peace treaty with Jordan which, according to reports in Haaretz, Maariv, and Yediot Achronot, included secret clauses concerning water and Jerusalem. The agreement had been negotiated in London eight months before between Rabin, King Hussein, and Lord Victor Mishcon. As part of the agreement, Jordan would receive control over the Islamic Holy sites within a Vatican-controlled Old City of Jerusalem.
March 1995
A cable from the Israeli Embassy in Rome to The Foreign Ministry was in Jerusalem is leaked to radio station Arutz Sheva, confirming the handover of Jerusalem to the Vatican. Two days later the cable made front page of Haaretz. In the widely distributed minutes of a meeting with President Clinton in 1997, Peres ended the cable with the words, "as I had previously promised the Holy See."
April 1995
Member of Knesset Avraham Shapira announced in the Knesset that he had information that all Vatican property in Jerusalem was to become tax exempt and that large tracts of real estate on Mount Zion were given to the Pope in perpetuity.
February l996
A delegation from the Vatican met in Jerusalem with Palestinian Authority Religious Affairs Minister, Hassan Tahbob. Father Serge Sebastian, Secretary General of the Vatican, announced that the Holy See recognizes Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem. After Shimon Peres had replaced Yitzhak Rabin as Israel's prime minister, Internal Security Minister Moshe Shachal refused to allow a Palestinian Authority meeting at the Vatican's Notre Dame Hospice in Jerusalem. According to Shachal, the Palestinians were planning to "use the Vatican to circumvent the Oslo Accords."
November, 1997
On November 10th, the State of Israel and the Vatican sign the "Legal Personality Agreement" whereby the State of Israel agrees to "assure full effect law to the legal personality of the Catholic Church itself." (What that means in plain english is anyone's guess.)
February 2000
Hedging its bets by having bi-lateral agreements with both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict, on February 14th, Pope John Paul 11 meets Arafat in Rome to sign an accord to normalize relations between Roman Catholic churches in Jerusalem and PA. Palestinian Legislative Council Speaker Ahmed Qurei told The Jerusalem Post that the agreement is "recognition by the Catholic Church of the Palestinian claims to the eastern half of Jerusalem." According to Arafat's spokesperson, Nabil Abu Rudaineh, "Arafat had been lobbying for the idea of sharing undivided Jerusalem, and for creating a Vatican-style sovereignty in the Old City." (Somehow we are supposed to believe that Arafat initiated this, and not the Vatican). The agreement calls for Jerusalem to be "an international city based on international resolutions and an international guarantee." The pack was signed despite the Vatican having signed an agreement with Israel six years earlier on December 30th, 1993 which gave legal jurisdiction under Israeli law over the Church's own institutions and assets in the Holy Land.
March 2000
The Pope visits the Holy Land and repeats the Holy See's insistence that" international oversight- 'a special statute, internationally guaranteed'- would best safeguard the city's holy sites and all its religions. The city of Jerusalem is the main obstacle to peace in the region."
On March 27th, the Palestinian Authority says that The Vatican no longer insists on international status for the Old City of Jerusalem, and that The Vatican accepts the political division of the Old City between Israel and the Palestinians. (One has to wonder if this agreement had anything to do with Arafat's decision to wage war on Israel six months later?)
October 2000
In a speech to the United Nations on October 30th, Archbishop Renato Martino declared: "The "unique character" of Jerusalem as a city sacred to three great religions makes it essential that religious leaders, not politicians, control the holy sites." In his meeting on October 26th with Lebanese Ambassador to the Vatican, Fouad Aoun, Pope John Paul 11 said that the city of Jerusalem should be given "specially guaranteed international status."
January 2001
Israel TV journalists secretly film under the Shrine Of Omar, the 7th century Islamic building which may have been deliberately constructed over the Holy of Holies, them most sacred prayer room of the ancient Jewish Temple. The video revealed a new and massive tunnel aimed directly at the most sacred core of Solomon's and later, Herod's Temples. During the Crusades the early 12th century chivalric order, The Knights Templer, dug under the ruins for nine years and found a network of tunnels where the Jewish priests hid their treasures form the marauding Romans in 70 CE. It was also assumed that the original records of the Jerusalem Church which prove that the Vatican was not practicing Christianity as its founders had intended, was buried in this spot. A pope with exclusive rights of divine interpretation was not part of G-d's plan. If these scrolls were made public they would jeopardize Rome's legitimacy. Thus it is imperative to The Vatican that the Jews be removed from the Temple Mount so that they don't find these important scrolls. The PA is serving as the Vatican's "building contractors" in this arrangement in the hope that the Vatican will side with the Palestinians in the conflict with Israel.
July 2002
Israeli, US and German delegations at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe in Berlin have to fight a surprise proposal to internationalize Jerusalem's Old City by the Italian delegation to the meeting. The head of the Italian delegation told Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the US-based Simon Weisenthal Center, that the main concern of the Italian government was that "in the future when there are peace discussions, the Palestinian entity will be given control of the Christian Holy sites."
Why the secular government of Italy should be worried about this was not explained in the new item. (The Jerusalem Post, July 8th, 2002)
So What Is The Vatican Planning And What Can Israeli Jews Do About It?
For centuries the Vatican has been pushing its "replacement" doctrine which states that the Catholic has replaced Israel as "the New Israel".
The Roman Catholic Church wants Israel to lose sovereign control over the Old City of Jerusalem so that "the promises to the literal descendents of Abraham will be applied to the 'New Jerusalem.'" If Israel controls Jerusalem it is evidence that Rome's claims are not legitimate and that the literal interpretation of Scriptures is correct. There is no place for the restoration of the nation of Israel in its theology. How can the Vatican claim to be "the New Jerusalem" and "rightful heir to the Kingdom of God" if the Jews control Jerusalem? How is the Catholic Church going to convince the world that their version of theology is correct?
The Vatican is going to have everyone believe this "mysterious individual who will "unite the faiths" and appear in Jerusalem which will be under the control of an authority headed by The Vatican. " That deal to have the Vatican come into Israel and take over these properties and to "control and dominate the Old City of Jerusalem" already exists and has been fully documented and reported in the world's media.
The end goal of The Vatican is to seize control of the Old City of Jerusalem out of the clutches of the state of Israel. To that end they have a secret agreement with Israel which obliges Israel to respect the "extraterritorial" claim to their physical presence in the city. In short, "we have accepted the Vatican's rights to have little Vatican sovereign embassies throughout our eternal capital of Jerusalem. That same Vatican has committed itself, in public and in a written agreement, to ensure that the Palestinians have sovereignty in the Old City of Jerusalem.
The public record shows a secret deal has already been conducted behind the backs of the Israeli public whereby the Vatican was promised to take over the Old City. There is ample proof in the public record to prove that a secret deal was done with the Vatican by two Israeli government representatives, Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres. As it was concocted covertly it can't serve the Israeli public- but someone else. Thus these agreements need to be made void and nullified.
It doesn't matter if religious Jews or Israelis think that "Catholic theology" is "strange looking" or extremely "ritualistic." What matters is that all Israelis understand that The Vatican has a secret agenda and it includes stealing the Old City of Jerusalem away from the Jews. That is what you need to know and understand. Unfortunately, this agenda is being carried out in secret and behind your back and that is why you are ignorant of its true aims. The purpose of this essay is to warn you of these exact intentions of The Vatican so that you will be an "informed consumer" when it comes to Israel's relations with the Roman Catholic Church. Even the overt clauses of the Vatican agreement, the exchange of ambassadors and the opening of the Vatican archives to Israeli researchers, have not been fulfilled by The Vatican. From an Israeli perspective, the "Fundamental Agreement Between The Holy See and The State of Israel" has been a complete failure and should be immediately rescinded.
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FINAL RESPONSE TO INDIANA ERIC A.K.A. ORWELL’S GHOST
21 Aug 2008, 16:47
Subject:
RE: Greetings Troy…
Indiana Eric
I presume that you are referring to my responses to your pitiful outburst from last September that I have posted below.
If I remember the chain of events properly - it is almost a year ago - You sent me your unsolicited & ignorant defensive pro-Ron Paul message around the time that you got yourself banned on Myspace so I posted it to Thomas Richards who posted it on his site & then reposted it on the Unhived Mind. Several of the links to sources didn’t translate to the forum post & are included in title only, I have no intention of wasting my time fixing those now.
I include the letter that I wrote to Thomas as an introduction to my comments on your nonsensical outburst.
Also I made it quite clear that I was referring to your disgusting comments that were directed at myself in a forum that you thought was private but wasn’t - as it turned up in a search engine query response. I’ve got no idea about what you’ve said about Eric Phelps & anyone else in the past but nothing would surprise me.
I will also make it clear for the last time that I have never blamed blue lodge Masons for the Satanic NWO or supporting it. My mother’s father was a blue lodge Mason for a short time & was a labourer - little scope there for being included in NWO strategic planning. The 32nd & 33rd degree Masons & even the higher level Memphis & Misraim are a very different kettle of fish however, as I made quite clear in my comments to your diatribe.
My friend, you clearly have a compulsive, obsessive disorder when it comes to rectifying perceived wrongs that you created in the first place & I suggest that you seek urgent help.
Any further communication from you will be roundly ignored, as I have no intention of further satisfying your bizarre need for attention.
Thank you -
Troy
A REFLECTION ON THE CREATION, MANIPULATION AND INFILTRATION OF “GRASSROOTS” INFO-ACTIVISM AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF DISINFORMATION IN THE (POST) 9/11 TRUTH “MOVEMENT”
13/9/07
London
Greetings Thomas!
Thanks for your solidarity in these recent times of unsubstantiated attacks on my personal reputation, knowledge and quality of my distributed information. The inexcusably vulgar verbal abuse emanating from these quarters speaks loudly of those with agendas other than those they publicly present.
Before elaborating further on the above matters, I wish to give you some brief background on the path of how I came to my understanding of the Vatican and Jesuit agenda:
I have been seriously interested in the true nature of global manipulation for the past four years. during this time i came across references in the works of a couple of authors whose subject matter is commonly referred to as the New World Order and the Illuminati. It was through them that I first became aware of the Vatican’s involvement and of the Jesuit Superior General’s control of both Freemasonry and the Papacy. Eventually I discovered the material of “Vatican Assassins” researcher Eric Jon Phelps. Upon serious consideration of his research, many pieces of the puzzle that had seemed obscure and illogical finally fell into place. The Jesuit creation and manipulation of the Bavarian Illuminati appeared to be almost certainly deliberately obscured by the few New World Order researchers who mentioned the Jesuits at all. The true structure and history of the secret society network became clearly and logically apparent.
Further investigation led to works such as Bill Hughes’ “Secret Terrorists” and “Enemy Unmasked” and Sidney Hunter’s “Is Alberto for Real?”, and ultimately to internet resources such as your truly enlightening SpirituallySmart. com website. As is often said: a picture can say a thousand words. Others are trying to get the word out and despite their varied religious and spiritual beliefs, the work and interviews or lectures of Leo Zagami, Alan Watt, Bill Deagle and Greg Szymanski also point unequivocally to the Jesuit control of the so-called New World Order.
I set up a Myspace account just over a year ago, unsure of how I was going to fully use it. Within a short time it came to reflect my varied interests, from music and cultural activities to matters of the spirit and what I had come to call the New World Order. Soon after I started getting friend requests from several high-profile blog posters and became aware of Gina via these means. Her spiky “character” didn’t bother me and seemed part of what I then considered to be her charm and we exchanged a few friendly messages.
Via the Myspace message facility, I started posting Gina articles from sources such as London’s Times online newspaper with the leaked story of how the bishops of the Church of England were getting together with Rome to discuss coming back under the Vatican or how the Catholic population outweighed that of Protestants in the U.K. for the first time in centuries, etc. This was because she posted a couple of things on the Vatican and seemed interested. I now realize that as her page has become more blatant in reflecting her adulation of the likes of Vatican pawn and American traitor Ronald Reagan, that Gina is either seriously confused, or is actually - like her “enemy”, fellow staunch supporter of Ron Paul, alternative media disinformationalist Alex Jones - driven by a covert agenda to mould a false perception of the global power structure. Judging by the obsequious platitudes littering her blogs comments board, she’s developed a skill for bringing together the willfully misinformed.
Due to limited computer technical skills on my part, as regards copying and pasting pictures and banner links, my Myspace page didn’t visually reflect my awareness of the degree of the Vatican’s control over world affairs until more recent times. All the stuff on my page was acquired via obtaining the source code from bulletins and messages from friends that I had requested source-codes from. I am labouring this point to demonstrate that despite Gina’s assertions to the contrary, I didn’t suddenly “jump ship” over night. This is a clear case of how her characteristic (thinly-veiled) condescension toward her Myspace friends can all too easily transform into a venomous hostility.
This became all too apparent when I started reposting photos, videos and stills highlighting questions about the true nature of 2008 Presidential candidate Ron Paul. Some of these, as you now know, I obtained from bulletins of yours. This coincided with the information you had brought to light on Alex Jones that others have since tried to claim false credit for. Step forward and take a bow Indiana Eric A.K.A. Orwell’s Ghost.
From my own researches I had become aware of Alex Jones’ involvement with the John Birch Society and of that organisation’s leadership’s involvements with high-level Masonry. I sent, via Myspace, a message relaying my concerns as to Jones’ connections to the J.B.S. in light of the facts that I had come across to Steve Watson, one of Alex Jones’ partners involved in the running of the websites, Prison Planet and Infowars. When I became aware of your Alex Jones information the pieces clicked and the questions regarding Ron Paul began to take on a new significance and importance.
I will state for the record that, until this time, I still heavily supported Ron Paul, Alex Jones and Co. on my page. I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt. In the case of the two names just mentioned, that doubt has dispersed after a thorough contemplation and analysis of the combined facts and evidence. This was highlighted through similar situations with the false anti-zionist researchers Daryl Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid and the actions of so-called Christian “truthseeker”/ N.W.O. “investigator” John Conner/ Mark Dice. Conner/ Dice appears to be a younger Jones-in-training and similarly gets covered by the controlled mainstream media, in his case via things like “the View”. These guys are the “official alternative” media.
It would be ludicrous for anyone with any reasonable amount of knowledge regarding the nature of the intelligence-gathering and disinformation-propogating “alphabet soup” agencies to think that it would be unlikely that they would have their plants in the so-called Truth “movement” (which emerged in the years after 9/11 and particularly with the advent of internet-based social networks and their ability to provide an effective means of “grassroots” information distribution (and gathering). This is a fast paced scene and one which in my opinion is being effectively used as a social engineering medium targeting the politically- and socially-questioning info-activists. The sheeple (sheep-like people A.K.A. the masses) so disparaged by this scene find their reflection in those doing the accusing.
The tactics used by those involved can be cunning. Ron Paul activists may vilify Alex Jones (thus potentially deflecting criticism of a rigged game), usually for the least significant reasons, while other, less significant ones often endorse him. It is my intention to let this “community” know that it should be aware that they are being played like cards. Just for a change, instead of telling the “sheeple” to wake up, the name-callers should take a moment to reflect whether they are actually among the sleeping.
Gina and Indiana Eric’s foolhardy exhortations (utilizing a publicly-accessible discussion forum that they naively believed to be private!) to their online clique to get dirt on earnest researchers of the Vatican/ Jesuit agenda is blatantly self-incriminating. Posting details of my two Myspace accounts with the heading “Logging Troy” is the “writing on the wall” of a stalker mentality. Their indiscretion is highlighted by the fact that such postings were stumbled upon while you were looking up references to your website via a search engine.
I am passing on to you the following “contributions” from Indiana Eric A.K.A. Orwell’s Ghost. They accurately capture the nonsensical, ungrounded mindsets that unfortunately permeate and pollute the waters of the so-called Truth “movement”. They capture with stark apparentness the bitterness of those who remain willfully ignorant of verifiable connections and historical backgrounds. Unhidden is the scornfulness towards those who place great stock on research that is deep, thorough and conducive to a raising of true awareness. Like his mentor, he acts like he’s an exposer of the Vatican and the Jesuits, yet when the motives of one of his own “sacred cows” are so much as questioned, he - like so many other would-be “truthseekers” - turns like a viper.
The following responses to my bulletins and blog comments are clearly not the product of any mastermind in such a situation. Rather they portray a bit player in the attempt to stifle genuine information distribution. The efforts of such types - easily manipulated as they are by those with a more sophisticated knowledge of such strategies - nevertheless contribute to the stagnation of genuine openness.
Unfortunately for people like this I deal in analyzing the facts and thoroughly considering all of the evidence, including the natures of and histories behind all parties involved. My commentary - highlighted in bold - is a reflection of this.
Peace and respect -
Troy
Posted by Orwells Ghost on September 8, 2007 - Saturday at 3:45 PM
1 Ron Paul was not giving the Luciferian/ Satanic hand symbol nor the Longhorn salute, it was the hand signal for love and he did it as he was getting out of a vehicle and being greeted by his supporters.
[Troy's comment: Who seriously believes that Ron Paul supporters are conversant in Deaf Sign Language. Who uses this symbolic greeting other than deaf people, occultists or heavy metal/ rock fans (derived from its occultic intent?) ... or certain politicians, royalty and corporate leaders with either verifiable deference or ties to the Vatican, the Jesuits and/ or the global secret society network? For Ron Paul's honouring of the Papacy see: "Honoring Pope John Paul II: A Consistent Pro-Life Figure" by Rep. Ron Paul, MD Before the US House of Representatives, April 6, 2005.]
2 Why would Ron Paul give a Satanic salute to his own supporters who mainly consist of people like us who know full well about the Satanic hand signal?
[Troy's comment: This completely fallacious, ungrounded and repeated statement by the some of the more active Ron Paul bloggers: those who also have a passing knowledge of what is commonly referred to as the Illuminati - i.e. the elite Satanic and/ or Luciferian manipulation of the New World Order. Ron Paul never discusses this (understandably for a politician) or the ultimate Jesuit/Vatican control, instead alluding merely to the "globalists", the Council on Foreign Relations and "this present administration". Apart from the small number of acolytes like Eric Orwell's Ghost, Ron Paul's supporters have no more interest in these matters than those of any other candidates. For more on the Luciferian Philosophy within Masonry see: The Masonic Fairy Tale Known As The Leo Taxil Confession.]
3 My grandfather is JBS and my uncle is a mason. And I can tell you straight up that neither are part of any NWO master planning.
[Troy's comment: "Was Eric O.G.'s uncle a 33-degree mason? As this was unstated then it would be reasonable to believe that he wasn't. Did anyone refer to the lay-members of the John Birch Society as being behind the New World Order? Presumably Ron Paul's "many friends" in the J.B.S. include its leadership, why wouldn't they be close to the only politician who consistently has a 100% accordance rating with J.B.S. aims? See: Conservative Index - The John Birch Society - Year: Summer 06 and Representative Ronald Ernest 'Ron' Paul (TX).]
4 I have reached out to some of these people that are “in the know”and in most instances I know more than they do, but they shun me because of personal reasons. I even posted on Thomas’s Youtube video that I had his back when he started receiving flak for what he was attempting to do. But at least now I know why other people were credited with things and why I was always ignored.
Thats ok though, because Thomas doesnt have the dirt I have on Alex and he will just have to keep talking about his connection to Pat Buchanan and his Jesuit friend Charlie Sheen instead of Alexs connections to the mafia and the Carlucci family.
[Troy's comment: I have strongly urged Eric O.G. to come forward with his "dirt". "Put up or shut up" being the phrase used I believe. As a relative and highly signicant aside: Alex Jones, along with C.I.A. Jesuit Pat Buchanan is Ron Paul's most vocal public supporter. Like Paul he also has very close John Birch Society links as can be determined from this article on one of his own websites: Alex Jones Interviews John McManus: Newsflash...PT Boat Commander Meets Fleet Admiral, they discover they are in the same Navy.]
5 Just because the American Freemasonry and the JBS may have NWO types at the helm not does not mean that all the lower level members are “cogs in the wheel”. For the most part most of them think they are working against things like the UN and the NWO.
[Troy's comment: Low-level members in any organisation are inevitably "cogs" (definition: "a person who plays a minor part in a large organization, activity, etc."; source: Dictionary. com). Eric O.G.'s correct assertion that "most of them think they are working against things like the UN and the NWO" is entirely in accordance with my statements. What was he reading??!! These lower-level members are being used by those privy to a fuller picture of the true agenda. The cognoscenti includes people in strategic positions within the secret society network and not even every 33 degree mason is part of the more elite element of this network.]
6 It is fair to question Ron Paul about a thing or two, like his supposed racial slurs and his stance on 9/11, but using his “Love” hand signal and his statement that he has JBS friends are not these smoking gun pieces of evidence some people are making them out to be.
[Troy's comment: Statements based around Eric O.G.'s ignorance of the occultic use of the "thumb out, palm forward" variation of the "horned hand" sign and of the John Birch Society's own verifiable history of a plethora of 32 and 33 degree mason leaders, C.I.A. (J.B.S. internal spying), Knights of Malta, Vatican, Nazi links, not too mention links to the Council on Foreign Relations that is, along with the United Nations, the main organisation that they have maintained they oppose the goals of!! See: the belmont brotherhood and http://www. angelfire. com/journal2/watch-unto-prayer/JBS. html
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7 We need the Freemasons and the JBS members to be on our side as allies instead of against us as enemies. This country was founded by Freemasonry even though it was infiltrated at its very inception. The founding fathers knew America needed its own secret society of intellectuals that work in Americas best interest.
[Troy's comment: Spoken like a true elitist! Those secret society "intellectuals" always know what's best for us, eh Eric? For some reasonable questions regarding the true intent of the emotionally-named "Founding Fathers" see Did the Founding Fathers betray the American People?" For a summary of the F.B.I.'s 12,000 page main file on the J.B.S. see: Endless Enemies: The Birch Society Confronts The World. As for the lower-level members, what they need to do is consider the true nature of their organisations using the URL's and links given above for starters. Then there may be some hope of dealing with people who've started to question the validity of those blood oaths that they've taken.]
8 Organized Freemasonry was not even behind the Adam Weishaupt Illuminati, it was the Vatican and her Jesuits. Weishaupt never stopped being a Jesuit. He took Jesuit operations underground during the time of the great Jesuit Suppression.
The Illuminati was used to infiltrate Masonry.
Masonry didnt create the Illuminati to control it.
Why do you think the Illuminati was created 2 months before American Freemasonry?
Illuminati was created May 1 1775 and American Freemasonry was created some time just before July 4th 1775.
[Troy's comment: Oh dear, Eric O.G.'s air of superiority is clouding his chronological accuracy and in the case of the former he forgets that most famous and infamous year: 1776. See The Bavarian Illuminati: "The Bavarian Illuminati ... was founded on May 1, 1776 in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria)". The latter dates to 1733. See Early Freemasonry in the United States (1733-1799): "In 1733, Henry Price, the Provincial Grand Master over all of North America for the London Grand Lodge, granted a charter to a group of Boston Freemasons. This lodge was later named St. John's Lodge and was the first duly constituted lodge in America."]
And why did Weishaupt have to personally join Masonry if he was already had all the top Masonic leaders in his Illuminati?
The main that truly created the Illuminati, Freiherr von Knigge, who turned the Illuminati into something actually gaining headway dropped out on July 1st 1784 and accused Weshaupt of Jesuitism and that he remained a Jesuit all along and was merely a Jesuit in disguise.
And that is not coming from me, that is coming from the Catholic Encyclopedia.
[Troy's comment: Eric O.G. clearly has access to the same internet reference sources that we all do. For those wishing to verify this see The Catholic Encyclopedia - Illuminati]
Nobody ever mentions Knigge, its all about Weishaupt, but Weishaupt couldnt do what he was looking to do in subverting the Masonic Order so he used Knigge who was well respected in Masonic circles.
[Troy’s comment: Calm down Eric, tell us something we don’t know. I’m quite aware that the Jesuits created the Bavarian Illuminati as a cover. The section that clearly got Eric O.G. all worked up was this from http://www. angelfire. com/journal2/watch-unto-prayer/JBS. html
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In 1977, a group of former JBS members exposed the organization’s subversive connections in an report titled The Belmont Brotherhood (referring to the coterie of leaders at Belmont, Massachusetts where JBS offices were originally located). This 12-page report concluded that the John Birch Society presents the most diabolical form of the Illuminati conspiracy:
“You may object: ‘Look at all the great things Welch has done - he has exposed the Illuminati.’ Baloney. The Illuminati was merely a branch of the Conspiracy. How can one attack the Illuminati without attacking the diabolical power behind it: organized Freemasonry? Welch has provided the most valuable service of all time to the Conspiracy. He founded an organization to neutralize millions of Americans from discovering what the true power behind the Illuminati really was. And we concede the Mason’s chose an extremely clever man to do the job. Welch, with the help of the Belmont Brotherhood, plays his role very effectively.”
By creating the perception that the conspiracy is Communist, the John Birch Society diverts suspicion from the Radical Right, whose principals have been discovered in cooperation with same. Conservative disinformation also creates a diversionary conflict which acts to prevent an alliance from forming to recognize and overturn the true conspirators.
So Eric O.G. looks for one(!) historical misunderstanding by the disillusioned John Birch Soiety members quote, a situation from over 200 years ago 2 involving an organisation that Eric couldn’t even remember that most reknowned date of its inception, to try to dismiss the facts of J.B.S.’s involvement with Vatican-loyalist Knights of Malta, C.I.A. and Nazi Fascists. A desperate battering ram used to unsuccessfully attack the rest of their invaluable information. I have to “admire” (ha!) your typical “official debunking tactics”. (for those less familiar with the methodology of such strategists, see Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth.
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